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CONCLUSION:
In one of my early blog posts (now taken down) I made a claim that I would go out, and try to pick girls up while doing the complete OPPOSITE of what a popular pick up method instructs its students to do.
What was I trying to prove? I suppose I was trying to prove you don’t necessarily NEED to follow someones written method in order to see results. What I’ve found out through my own research is there are certain core principles of attraction. Once you display, or emit through your energy, that you have these core principles then women can’t help but become attracted to you.
The pickup in the video isn’t the most flashy pickup, but it does demonstrate well enough that you don’t need to do everything perfect. As you can see I make TONS of mistakes. You could probably write a book just about all the mistakes I actually DO make in that approach – but I still manage to get out of it with the girls contact info. And she clearly did want me to contact her, which is all that’s important in the end.
Chrono Trigger!
I don’t get it i just don’t get it. How is it just the mind frame his in?? I don’t get it.
okay. i know ur good and all and uv read all the books and stuff and im not gonna bore u to death with long ass fucking posts like other people on here. i didnt even bother reading any when i say when u broke the “rules”
neil strauss said.
“there is only one rule in gaming. and that is there are no rules. only guidlines.”
good job on ur sucsess!
ok well, it seems like there are a lot of posts on this vid.
I wont go over what everyone is already saying but I will say this, The mystery method, or whatever other method, is that, just a method. It is like playing s sport or learning a new instrument. You learn the rules, and soon you get good enough to break em, and I think that is what jack is trying to tell us. Eventually you will put some of your own style into it and break away from the “methods”. I guarantee you Jack wouldn’t have succeeded the approach 4 months ago, but because he had confidence it worked.
One more point about charging money for bootcamp, YOU GUYS WHO WANT SOMETHING FOR FREE ARE LAZY IDIOTS!
First of all nothing worth having is ever easily obtained. If you want free literature, there are countless stuff online and on manuscript to learn from, but you really expect these puas to spend their time with AFC’s for free?
One more point, if people didn’t pay for this type of stuff, they would hold much value in what they would be learning and just give up (kinda like scott), cause this shyt is hard.
If you got a shitty hamburger for free, you’d throw it away and go, “oh well”.
But if you paid 10 bucks for a shitty hamburger then you would do all you could to complain, get a refund, and scold the manager because it held more value to you then getting it free.
All of the lazy AFC’s out there, either read the material and do it yourself, like the ppl on this site, or (now your gonna laugh at this cause it may seem funny) pay someone a good amount of money who knows his shyt to CHANGE YOUR MOTHERFUCKIN LIFE!
please disregard my last post for some reason my computer will only play the youtube posts all the way through but it didnt start to do that until episode 8 or 9 i think
if you want free of charge i can give ya tips and you can use em and take full credit for em i wanna see competence man
you will learn one day man to follow protocal , look had you stuck to the “rules” you coulda had a fuck those bitches were askin to get dicked down when they were stickin around with all that chit-chat bullshit ,you got all king kong and shit gettin a number you got a small reward and Highly doubt you fucked any of those girls in fact you wanna shut up me or any other critic out there then next time you msn close or number close a girl make a video of you makin out with your target/catch ,it aint gotta be the first time goin for the kiss , but I wanna see results and any one with a brain should expect the same , the truth is jack you gotta ALOTTA shit to learn and prove when you toot your own horn like this, we have yet to see you isolate your target from sets we have yet to see you build any kind of kino and escalate( you can do it in day game) we have not seen you open mixed sets either or hold a set for 15 to 20 minutes and charge your fuckin camera and bust it out when you runnin a set one time your camera dyin is an excuse its like every episode that thing dies (hmm I smell bullshit) anyways im done and I seriously doubt you got the stones to post this
Nignig are you retarded? Why would he ever show us footage of him isolating a girl? That shits just weird. Anyway, the point isn’t to fuck every girl you see. Getting numbers so you have the ability to txt, call and set up plans with someone is the real key. He has so many options now. And each of those options likely carries several other options with it. Who knows where each person will take him. It only takes one person to open you up to new outlets.
this vid is stopping like 2 and a half minutes in please fix ur vids are too awesome to miss
You got away with breaking the rules because the mystery method was formulated specifically to get 10s. You must follow the rules to avoid being like every other loser that went up to her and hit on her. Try doing what you did on an older girl that is a 9 or 10 and you will most likely get blown out of the set. Overall nice work though.
I just wanted to point out that you’re not doing what you think you are doing. You say that you are “just being yourself” but you are completely wrong. Just because you have thrown canned routines to the side dosen’t mean that you are doing things that you have learned from the gurus who built this community. You still know how to open, neg, DHV, false disqualify, kino escalate, and so on. You still can tell when it is time to #close. I noticed that you also know not to ask too many questions and make statements instead. You say that you are just being yourself and “breaking all the rules” but you’re still subconsciously following the much more important rules that MUST be followed in order to game properly. So don’t try to make the guru’s look bad or point the newcomers in the wrong direction. Because doing things like that will just get you unwanted attention and ruin the chances of many newcomers who think that you are a good PUA who is “just being himself and getting girls”. You use everything that you leaned from the community and you know it.
On top of the matter. In just six months you are no where close to your goal. Your videos only show you approach and #close. I NEVER see you display any advanced game like jealousy plot line or merge sets. You also have never been shown using pawns or pivots in your game so don’t say that you are even close to your goal yet.
Great videos dude…I’ve watched them all, and I just wanted to comment on this one in particular, with reference to you breaking all the rules:
Have you ever thought that maybe the fact that you’re natural allows you to do this?!?
You are a good looking guy, you’re a personal trainer (ie. in shape), you had girlfriends when you were a teenager – you’re obviously not at all socially awkward, and I don’t even think you were when you started this journey.
For someone like your buddy (the balding one who dropped out), he probably WOULD benefit from Mystery’s rules because he doesn’t have the same natural abilities and physical attributes you do.
Just a thought.
Hey Jack and Co. I really love the whole idea of this site and seeing you do stuff like this makes me want to go out and do the same (as a matter of fact, I already am)
But I know the reason why you “breaking the rules” did absolutely nothing to hinder your game, I’m certain that it’s because that although you tried to do all this stuff to hinder your game (being a creep, bad body language, supplicating, etc,…), you had 100% confidence in yourself that you could totally pull it off and the girls totally sense that. I am pretty sure that if you had zero confidence that it wouldn’t work, they probably would’ve told you to fuck off.
I like to think of the game of pickup like fighting, there is many distinct fighting styles (muay thai, karate, jiu jutstu), you choose the one that you like, and when you master it, you either find a new fighting style, make changes to your current style so that it becomes yours, or you do what most people do, which is to say “oh I’ve learned enough”. This is the reason why 10th degree karate black belts get their asses handed to them by mixed martial artists in a no holds barred competition.
Without guys like you, seduction could never evolve. Good on you for doing this stuff. I’m no pro PUA by any means, but I know my good days are when my frame is so strong I could start a conversation with any lady just by smiling at her.
“Mystery’s Method is not his method per se; it is nature’s method. ” – Jayden
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If it was nature’s method (read: Natural), no one would need to learn it.
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That’s not true. When I was younger I wouldn’t touch (kino escalate) because of nervousness, although my natural instinct (indeed, all mens natural instinct) is to touch beautiful women. I lost a lot of hook-ups because of that. When you’ve been improperly socialized, your behavior is contrary to nature, and MM will help you figure that out and fix it.
Being able to clearly map out your problem areas is key.
Additionally, I think it’s REALLY funny how Jack started out using MM as a launch point, became hugely succesful with women(reached his goal in 6 months), and then went on to claim that MM wasn’t helpful. Me confused.
Now this will not work for everybody. Jack is quite good-looking, and he has a very friendly tone and manner of talking. His voice projected an openness and honesty, combined with the boldness of the cold pickup, made him interesting to the girls. If it was a less good-looking, older, harsher-voiced, less tactful person, or if he even botched once during the speech, the deal is blown. So this is a very difficult thing to pull off for most people. Jack has advantages on his side.
“Mystery’s Method is not his method per se; it is nature’s method. ” – Jayden
If it was nature’s method (read: Natural), no one would need to learn it. MM complicates the simple. I know nobody wants to hear that the things they perceive as problems are actually “simple,” but it’s the truth. People want to think that picking up girls requires elusive tactics and secret underground knowledge because it gives them validation. It gives them a sense of “control.”
In actuality, most guys in the community would rather talk about game than actually go out a play. Concepts such as the M3 Model lend themselves quite easily to the KJ culture. When first becoming aware of the community, most guys want the magic lines. They want to know exactly what to say and when to say it. Enter Mystery Method with the routines and the A1-S3 7 hour timeline. Voila! Problem solved right? WRONG!!! So wrong. You need to understand that at the very foundation of the M3 Model, there is an inherent flaw. This is evident in many posts I see with people talking about “uglier” girls being easier to pick up while the “HB9/10/eleventybillion~!1!1″ are rude, standoff bitches that need to be disarmed by your PUA tricks so that you can come under the radar and fuck them without them even knowing it. The fundamental flaw is that guys are assuming they have lower value than the girl. So much for “inner game.” Oh well, who needs that when you’ve got the David Bowie Opener?
If you can prove to us commentators that you can pick up a girl that is 10/10 hot in looks then I will agree to your “breaking the rules methods” the girls you are picking up are simply just not that hot they are considered as average and average girls are simply easier to pick up through normal conversations.. us guys are interested in picking up really good looking girls.. I believe your method is only applicable for only the average looking girls..
Well basically your method works because you come across as very natural in picking them up.. simple as that.. now I’m not trying to defend Mystery Method’s title or anything but the main reason why your stuff works is because 1. you are being natural 2. the girls aren’t really that hot … The material wouldn’t really work if you went up to a girl that is 10/10 hot in looks I can bet you.. Mystery’s stuff teaches you how to get those girls.. Go ahead and pick up a model or a stripper and pull those lines that you pulled on Episode 9.
Much props for the video. I know what you mean when you say there are TONS of materials out there but only a fraction of it is legit. I think some materials are over-emphasized and therefore over-taught. For example, “lean back posture is VERY POWERFUL”. Sometimes a girl just does not give a fuck, as long as you’re standing confident and your posture is not slouching like the hunchback of notre dame, your game is on. The only way we can determine if the material is legit is by going out into the field and testing it out ourselves (trial and error method sort of speak).
With all this training and experience in the field, I know by now you have a good picture of which materials are legit and which are not; which rules are more important than others and which rules are less. I think this is one reason you made the video; to show us there is flexibility in the game. We are not restricted to stay within the guidelines of what these PUAs teaches us and it is NEVER OVER when we break a rule (as people can see from episode 9).
Here, I want to show you something if you haven’t seen it yet. I think this guy has something here and I believe some of his materials are practical and can be done by all men. I watched and read a good amount of different programs (mystery, david, mehow ) and I can say this guy has something unique, effective, and quite legitl in his work. Check it out.
http://youtube.com/user/thesocialengineer
p.s. I usually don’t comment on ANYTHING ANYWHERE, but I felt quite a pull on jack’s purpose in this video. Anyways, cheers from Texas. Enjoy!
on sat. at hess, i met this smokin hot chick, danced, made out, took control of the situation, (afraid of rejection? FUCK YES) nxt day, she initives me over, drives ovr 45+ min. to pik me up. Of course we had sex, and I lasted ovr 5 min!!!
wat i’m tryin to say, if i didn’t go in for the kiss and grabbed my balls, I prolly would of not seen her again. i always ask myself, If I died tomorrow, what would of happened If.. i try to make “IF” history.
hey guys that was a good video, sorry i couldnt be around for it ive been busy with work and what not. but i havent lost touch with my game cause the two girls from the adventure me and jack had on sat i approached them at the club and got them into my truck and hopefully ill be able to be back in the vidoes soon. The concept of the video breaking the rules was awesome you dont have to follow rules when your out there. you just have to keep trying
Response to a couple comments:
Yummy Stale Bread, I don’t even want to try figuring out the number of approaches. Although I haven’t been out like a mad man, some weeks it would only be once the entire week, other weeks it’d be 2-4 times. When you get to the point where you’ve done so many embarrassing things the majority of them can’t be recalled by memory, you know you’ve approached a lot of girls and done some stupid shit.
How many resulted in day two’s? Or how many resulted in instant lays? Another number I haven’t bothered to keep track of. I will admit, I do obtain quite a bit of “passive value” as some call it. I’m not a bad looking guy, and I have a nice body to boot. Once I get a girls contact info and I decide to call her, it’s almost set in stone it’s going to end in something “more.” I am very skilled at talking/reading people, especially females. Part of this ability I already had before even starting this website.
I must admit, before getting into all of this I had my fair share of retail/sales jobs which required me to approach customers and be outside my comfort zone. When working for a cell phone company before knowing ANY of this stuff, I used to get A LOT of number closes, because I have always been somewhat witty. Although during those times I never ever followed up on any of them because of my inner problems. Becoming better with women and just forcing my self through my fears has given me the ability to go for what I want and not care what others think of me. In turn it has cured most of the problems I had beneath the surface. There is far more to say on this topic (how I got through my problems) and it’s NOT as simple as just approaching girls. I had A Lot of problems and several required intesive work. I plan to make video about exactly what it’s taken me to get to this level I’m at.
Another comment I’ve received is, I am still “learning” and I have room to grow: To be blunt – No Shit! No one is EVER a complete master at social interaction. It’s just not possible! There will always be a wild card no matter how good you believe you are. And there will always be girls who no matter what won’t like you! It’s just the way it is.
Do I have bad days/nights? Fuck yes! Again, no matter who you are, there’s no such thing as a perfect track record. What makes one successful is having the ability to pick yourself up and keep going after a wreck.
I had the most horrible night in months on Saturday. Mainly because I decided to get trashed for once (I don’t drink). All my sets were failing (I was told, I have no memory of it). I was so upset I left the club a mess, ran into some woods and passed out in someones backyard. I was woken up at 2:30 AM by a call from Demetri, who was driving two girls home. I got in the car still pretty trashed, managed to spin things around, got them to invite us in, seduced the hotter of the two girls, fucked her on the couch, and then ran outside to puke in her garden.
I’m giving you this recent example because I want to show you that I was having such a bad night out, and I was so trashed and out of my mind I was literally smacking my self in the head when I left the club, Screaming “I’m not a pickup artist, I’m a failure.” Everyone has break downs and everyone suffers from self doubt from time to time. This hasn’t been a super “Smooth” ride for me. The bumps are still coming. But I manage to pick my self up and make the best out of everything no matter how crappy it appears to be. True in the end the night wasn’t really a failure because I managed to get a same night lay, but that’s not the point. The point is I was a drunken wreck and I could have gone home and moped about it. But instead I grabbed an opportunity and “rode” it. Quite literally, hahaha.
Again, thank you all for your comments! Those of you with suggestions for future videos, I’m going to use some of them. I wont’ say which suggestions I’m going to use. you’ll have to wait and see!
Jack,
glad my comments didnt piss you off man. you’re doing some interesting stuff here and i’d hate to discourage you in any way. Here’s my challenge to you however: All of these videos show you approaching and running material on girls. some end in a number, some don’t. Nuff with the opening’s. Let’s see you ‘instant date’ – ‘bounce’ – insert community colloquialism here – some of these women.
I’ll agree you seem to be comfortable approaching women. Now i say ‘time for the next step’ – clearly we can’t necessarily follow you (unless your cam guy is a ninja) but we could hear the conversation leading to the bounce and see the departure.
The stuff you’re doing here is good, and gives a lot of guys the ability to ‘see it in action’. show them the next step
This video proves my suspicions that pick up methods are a load of bullshit… I’m sorry to those of you who are still grasping on them, ‘cos it is a bitter pill to swallow, but seriously looking at it in context. You have a male and a female. We are emotionally and physically designed to behave in a certain way by nature. When we get attracted to the opposite sex, our sex hormones go to work by physically getting prepared for sexual activity… The emotional part?
Well figure it out. It takes no genius to figure out what happens in the emotional/social level… We naturally behave in a way that will make a girl attracted to you… We all have it within us… All it takes is some bullshit media influence over the years to brainwash us and to make us think that we need to act and behave a certain way to get the girl and that the only way possible is to have a nice car, good looks and a well paid job to get the girl of your dreams.
I appreciate the pickup community, but i totally disregard the methods as they’re quite frankly money making scams to milk enough money from people desperate to figure this all out when realistically, the answers are already there deep within… Props Jack for figuring this all out for yourself…
I’ve also seen the light too, i don’t use the mystery method or whatever method out there… I use my own instincts, and yes it works… And it will work for you guys too, trust me…
Wow you got some harsh critics with a lot to say. I say to each their own, if fucking is your goal cool, then ok whatever. I don’t care. But you point out something very interesting. When people first join the community, their reality gets turned upside down. “You mean I don’t have to supplicate, whine and dine her” It really opens up any possibility. Then rules come down from any method and say that should do this and that. That is because they figured out how their mind works. Everyone’s is different. So having rules lowers the amount of possibilities. Basically all I’m saying is that do whatever you want whenever you want. Whatever makes you happy! That is your life and you are the only judge.
For me I want inner game so I use affirmations. I don’t care about choice, or being able to get any girl. I want to not be affraid. That is it. I so far have figured out that I really don’t want to get married or have a girlfriend. I have goals in life that would be hindered if I had a woman in my life. But if the right woman comes my way, who am I to say that wouldn’t change my mind. What I am writing now and my opinions will probably be the opposite tommorrow. Whatever. Disqualify Jack if yall want, but who really cares!! Are you happy with your own life? Think, don’t worry about his or mine or your buddy’s. In 30 years down the line, you will be the only one who you really know.
Hi Jack,
Thanks so much for sharing another video of your progress, it takes balls to put yourself on the line like this and then broadcast it to the world.
Like a lot of these guys here, I do agree that you could benefit a hell of a lot from using the Mystery Method. You mentioned that you read Magic Bullets. The problem with this is that you don’t seem to convinced, perhaps partly due to the gimmicky name. Granted, a lot of these methods are exploited for financial game, especially the M3 Model after the VH1 show, but gimmicks, seduction DVD packs, $3000 bootcamps aside, the M3 Model is simply a compressed version of the human courtship process:
An Opener, you can’t get the girl without her knowing you exist.
Male > Female in terms of value, female attracted
Male qualifying female, maintaining higher value than female (congruence)
Comfort
Seduction
Mystery’s Method is not his method per se; it is nature’s method. He is, strangely enough, the only one to have sought complete awareness of these social dynamics in order to write a book about it and ultimately educate the more awkward, less aware males of humanity.
Naturally, any rule can be broken, and not every rule has to be followed to end in a successful pickup. We have reproduced for tens of thousands of years and there was certainly no M3 model back in the caves. As we lived then, the alpha male would be the leader of the tribe, so believe it or not, he would, again, naturally exhibit a great amount of these characteristics which the M3 model recommends to convey, e.g. non-neediness, preselection, leader of men. The precise reason why it seems fake is because such characteristics are nearly always the opposite of what the M3 model readers have: they ARE needy (otherwise they wouldn’t be reading), they are not the type of male to be heavily preselected, if at all, and the vast majority are hardly going to be the leader of men anywhere but on their WOW server.
The consistent idea here is, as I’m sure you know, the tribal chief. However you attempted to break those rules, you truly have your inner game sorted. You remark that you have never been ‘nice’ to women; you were simply victim to an abusive relationship, and everybody, even the alpha male, has to make that mistake in order to learn from it, and so you have. You’ve come from the pits of depression, being unable to eat, something I myself have suffered, and I bet you sat there and thought, there is no way in hell I am feeling that again, no human being, no animal deserves to feel that way. Then you started learning about pickup; freeing yourself, approaching girls outside your comfortable social circle, realising that there is a whole world out there. How do I know? Because I said this myself. When you’re young and you’re raised on Disney or whatever bullshit you see a cute girl at school, you fumble your way into a romance with her and you just want to skip in the flowers, but then your mind just goes bananas, as you try to figure out why the hell she is testing you all the time. Finally you realise nature is harsh; the M3 model is simply the gift of awareness, a pre-warning if you will, of the advent of such games. I used to believe that every single girl had their own unique character, that spirit was something separate from the physical, but it is not. These tests, these crazy emotions, these seemingly ridiculous games, once again all come down to her evolutionarily wired desire for the leader of the pack, a strong chief. So much of this is not physical – look at Mystery, he is slender as they come – but this is no surprise for us humans. Yes, muscles, as in your case, are another attraction switch I suppose, conveying not only health, but also access to excess protein by which these fibres may be formed (ability to hunt well), but there are numerous switches, and this is just one. Most strength in humanity, provided we have our general health in tact, comes from emotional and intellectual capacity: the former so that we cannot be phased in difficulty, whether in terms of our health, wealth or relationships, ensuring a considerable survival value; the latter so that we can design things, create things, think of ideas to overcome obstacles, once again increasing our survival value. This one human trait, that is, ingenuity, creativity, intellect, whatever you call it, has contributed to our excellence over all other species, therefore it is natural that it will be tested by females seeking the best mate she can possibly get with her replication value. (i.e. bootay)
I went off on a tangent there, but what I’m saying is, Jack, you have been, at one time, needy and weak, but so have we all, even the strongest alpha males, since we are all, at the end of the day, mere mortals. However, your genes are naturally alpha. You have overcome your demons and have your ‘inner game’ sorted to a point that you can use a ridiculous opener such as the creep line (I laughed quite a lot when I heard that) and can still pick up the girl. Admittedly, I was surprised it worked out. You rightly pointed out as on the VH1 show how hard it is to stop girls in the street, you have absolutely no value, as Mystery rightly says. You may not be the tallest but I wouldn’t call you short, 5’6 is still in the ballpark of average, taller than the vast majority of girls, and even if you were 5’3 or something, that’s only one attraction switch again. You’re still ripped etc. and even though you’re covered knowing that you have that sort of frame can only give confidence.
The males you intend to ‘teach’ will mostly likely not be in your predicament; you have good genes (i.e. high survival value) but have been simply caught up in some heavy shit; your ‘followers’ will naturally be fucking epsilon males. These are ones who DO need a makeover, who DON’T have their inner game sorted, who AREN’T ripped or at all physically attractive, who DO have basic social problems let alone pickup ability/experience. The M3 model gives these guys a defined path to follow, so that they can follow it, until they stop, sort out sticking points and carry on going. I appreciate what you’re saying and of course I agree in part, in so much as you don’t have to follow every rule like a mathematical formula, for as I have said before we didn’t have the M3 model written on the caves thousands of years ago and our ancestors still managed to reproduce, but still, if you shit on the model I fear it will be knocking those off who were experiencing success with it. I also agree with going out and having balls, and not just reading a book, but the Mystery Method book does advocate the ‘newbie drill’ and of course you can imagine how many nervous guys just skip over that. If you go out 4 times a week and approach god knows how many sets per night, hopefully at least one will end up in something.
Anyway, that’s just my take on it all. Keep them coming.
Jayden
today I met some girls, and got their emails. The only problem is maintaining contact and getting them to hang out. I think i got the getting emails part down. BUT i would think that there is much more to that. I would want to see them again and ask them to hang out. thats the hard part for me. I get their info with no problem, but then i never see them again
I would like a response to my first comment.
“I’m curious about how many approaches you estimated you have done over the course of these past six months, how many of those ended up in Day 2’s and how many resulted in having sex.”
I am very happy for you that you feel you have reached your goals, but all these videos and commentary mean very little without being incorporated into the big picture of how successful you’ve been with these women, and that comes from knowing the raw numbers.
In one of your videos, you approached and e-mail closed a woman you knew from the past and called that a successful pickup. To me, that was merely getting someone’s contact information that you already knew, which is nothing impressive. What are the end results of the approaches we are seeing in these videos?
Actually. Unless you FUCK the girl, you honestly cannot consider it a successful pick-up. Getting a girl’s contact info without fucking her is only good for bragging to friends. Getting her number and fucking her is good for having a continuing relationship after the fuck.
When a girl is ready to be fucked. You have to fuck. If you aren’t… you’d better have a reason that’s actually valid like, “I’ll fuck you in the washroom, but not ontop of the counter of McDonalds because by the time my dick is in you, we’ll be getting my fries”, you’re probably gay and I question if you actually have any interest in women at all (and there is a different community that you would be more than welcome in, and you wouldn’t be hurting women by lying to them that you’re straight! Being openly gay in today’s world may still be tough, but it’s a hell of a lot easier than living a lie.)
Only by having sex have you successfully “closed” a girl. Every model, natural, direct, indirect, Mystery, RSD, anyone’s model/method… unless it ends with sex, it is not a seduction model. There is no seduction without the sex.
Seduction is a sensual, delicious, and emotional experience for a woman, and without the sex… it’s the same as talking and flirting with a hot girl and going home to masturbate. You lose, she loses, and the world loses because you prolly fucked her up more, fucked yourself up more, and made the world a less sane place.
If you’re gonna pick-up a girl, you’d better make sure she’s a girl you actually intend to fuck.
Hey Jack good work man. Really nice.
I would like to point out a few things after watching your videos. It is important to keep in mind that you have pretty of room to improve on… and at the end of the video you mentioned its a cool feeling that you can pick up any girl you encounter… and you played down the usefulness and correctness of Mystery’s rules and tactics. You should know that getting a girl’s number isn’t extremely difficult to achieve… and it shouldn’t be cosnidered a successful ‘pick up’. A successful pick up in my opinion is when you are 99% sure the girls are attracted to you and knows you ARE picking her up even though you’re doing it subtlely and ultimately lead to the bedroom..
So keep an open mind to successful pick up methods out there and let loose your ego and consider yourself ‘still learning’
Hey Jack,
I have to say your videos are awsome they really inspire people, I just love they way you commited to the process and how you kept it up. I also love the way you want to help people out I have to say, you have the leader aspect within you, I am proud to see PUA’s like you bro.
Bro I just want to tell you though that your message in the video is kind of what Style and Mystery have to say. What I mean is that the mystery method isnt about using canned material and all that stuff, it’s just training wheels, some people take them off others dont. You for one took those training wheels off and succeeded, you are not a social robot.
All I am trying to say bro is you have to remember that most people who get into the game are social retards, and they need those rules and methods, thats all.
PS: love the final fantasy sound tracks
PPS: whats your workout program man??
hey, i am just wondering how you got the girls to hang out and come over to your place. i never saw any phone calls. i think i can get a girl’s info, but i dont think i can get her to come to my place. do u just tell her to come over? wouldnt she feel uncomfortable about it?
Anyone who’s anyone will know for a fact that 90% of women have watched “the pickup artist show” hosted by Mystery, and his gang. I will not spoil any up coming video’s but I will tell you this.
Day game is so much fuckin’ harder then Night/Club game. Not to mention women are more aware of their action when sober then drunk! I could go on and on, but actions speak more then words
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To anyone that’s saying how “you don’t have to do everything by the book and still get the girl, this video proves what everyone already knows…”
I just say, look at some of the comments that people posted earlier on. They were filled with people talking about how if you didn’t follow the rules EXACTLY, you would fail. Seriously, there are enough people in this community that are KJ-ing that honestly think that you must follow those rules exactly, that one may think it’s the majority.
Jack made this video in response to those comments so that he could demonstrate that RULES CAN BE BROKEN. That you don’t have to follow everything word for word, and use the jealous girlfriends opener followed with the cube.
Seriously… the motherfuckin’ cube.
Son. You seriously pull the cube with any girl in this day of age, they are gonna know what book you read.
“you weren’t at a bar or club where you would have more competition and have to take down her guard.”
the set in question took place on a Thursday night around 8:30 PM, not only did the girls see me run across the street to come talk to them, they also saw me follow them back across the street before opening. (did you not watch the beginning of the video?!) My “he’s a creepo” factor was through the roof upon opening.
I don’t agree with this, or other similar comments. Yes, higher bitch shield in night game. But No, it is not easier on the street over night game. Think about it, It’s the middle of the damn street. Haven’t you guys watched VH1′s “the pickup artist?” Did you not see for your selves what happened when the guys went from this so called “harder night game” to the street game? THEY ALL FAILED! In fact it was the worst challenge in the history of the show because No one won the challenge lol.
After getting very good at day game, night game is now like shooting fish in a barrel. But this is another topic I’ll touch on later.
I apologize if this comment sounds rude, but there have been plenty of comments like this and it’s a tad frustrating. I understand most people commenting don’t really have much experience being out for them selves, or else they wouldn’t be visiting a site like this, but everyone who’s read a bit of “pua” material begins to think he is a master of knowledge. Learning game doesn’t come from A BOOK. It comes from being in it, being in the moment. If you’ve only ever opened 1-40 or so sets you really have no idea what you’re talking about. The patterns I’ve personally begun to see are SO vivid anyone denying them would have to be a total wack job.
Simply put – depending on your personality (of course), and I don’t know how versatile everyone can become* – but ‘GENERALLY’ night game is a breeze if you compare it to day game/street. Again, I’ll have more info on why day game is better at a later date, I’m heading out for some easy night game right now and don’t have time to make an entire post.
Everyone commenting, whether they are good or bad comments, argumentative or positive – THANKS GUYS! I really appreciate the feed back! If you guys have any serious questions you want to ask me please send me an e-mail to jack@mypuajourney.com and I promise to get back to you.
In the mean time, keep commenting! Loving the feedback.
Hey bro, great video. I think that it is definitely a valid point that you are breaking rules and yet still able to land the girl. But I don’t think that anyone out there is going to deny that you don’t have to do everything right in order to succeed. Every year thousands of men date women without having any understanding of female psychology and how to pick up women.
While I understand the point of this video, there are a few things that you should keep in mind when talking about being able to break the rules left and right and still get the girl. First, you broke some very minor rules and not any of the more major ones. Your body language was still very dominant. Your feet were planted, shoulders back, you didn’t seem nervous at all. You had a good vocal tone. You used a direct opener but you still didn’t overly express interest (e.g. wow, you’re beautiful! can I have you number?).
It should also be noted that that girl wasn’t exactly the hottest thing going, and you weren’t at a bar or club where you would have more competition and have to take down her guard. If you really want to break the rules, go into set walking fast, looking at the ground, shoulders hunched a little, talk fast, and tell her she’s beautiful.
What is that song at the start?
Thanks.
i’d like to meet with you, if you ever pass by montreal, please let me know. we are not too far from each other right?\
i like you because you’re sincere about your shit. you dont do any marketing and thats rare in the PUA world. i actually like mystery’s method i think its good for beginners like myself but the whole marketing thing just totally throws it off my interest circle.
thank you and please let me know if you ever pass by here!\
make more videossss
Great job overall m8.
I agree with you about 80%, those rules I believe are the training wheels to help you get better so that you can gain confidence in awkward situations. Yes you can ditch the rules and succeed, in fact I believe it makes a better situation because you are on your toes the whole time (and thats just what naturals do).
For beginners i believe that the rules hold for important meaning but aren’t set in stone. nothing in pick up is ever set in stone because every girl is different. The best thing you can do is be your best self and thats it, if you use all these routines then you are fibbing to her and you which is never good.
Bravo again m8.
A few things came to mind when watching this.
1) You did not break all the rules – or Mystery’s method,
2) You used an interesting opener that wasn’t “hi, come here often” – you hooked their interest.
3) You flipped the leader of men switch with confidence and storytelling
4) You implied preselection through storytelling
5) you were in a talkative state
6) your subcommunications were NOT low value. Holding a drink up high says nothing too damning. You weren’t leaning in, or being creepy at all.
7) Telling a girl you’re interested isnt “breaking the rules” remember “That guy’s” method is meant to be used on 9′s and 10′s, a 7 or below doesn’t mind a guy telegraphing interest because it doesnt happen to her as frequently.
Opening a couple of girls means nothing. Where did this encounter go? did you go out with one or both of them? was the number a flake? did you manage to sleep with one or make her your girlfriend? Don’t try to prove that a system doesn’t need to be followed to work. The simple fact is – executed properly, many of these systems do work and have transformed many mens lives. If you want to work on your own thing, that’s cool, but don’t degrade your integrity with “any fool can do it” videos that are very pointedly trying to poke holes in other systems.
Honestly, all I get from this video is that you don’t really understand the Mystery Method. You certainly have it painted in broad strokes, but as far as the details, you could benefit a lot from the CD series that Sinn, Saavoy and Future did back in the day. There’s a TON more to this than what you have outlined. I’m not trying to be a dick, just wanting to let you know you might be missing out on a lot of information out there that could help you progress even faster.
How can you guys ask him to give this stuff out for free? He worked his ass off to learn this stuff, and while please and thank you are very nice, they don’t put food on the table. Jack deserves a little more for his efforts, so don’t be free loaders.
Hey Jack, congrats on reaching your goal! Very admirable. I eagerly await all your teachings and such, but yeah, as mentioned, if it costs money you’re pretty much the same as all the others. :-/
I’m curious, Jack. How tall are you?
You’re absolutely right Holden. But I DO know what I did right, although thanks for pointing some of it out anyway. The ONLY purpose of this video (in case you missed it) was to prove I could break Mystery’s Method and still pick up, to show some of the die hard followers you don’t NEED it to get good with girls. You sum the rest up quite nicely in your post so I won’t go into anymore detail.
Jack you are underestimating many factors.
First thing you underestimated was the situational factors. You approached two random girls just walking the street. Now after chattin them up for a bit and getting the one girls number…you PROBABLY made her day…she did not expect to wake up in the morning and go for a walk with her friend than get picked up. Remember girls want to meet guys, they don’t want to be single.
Your body language was horrible however Jack you are also underestimating your internal frame. You had confidence there, charisma and humour. These are excellent personality traits to have and demonstrate in conversation.
Routines, canned openers, negs, etc, etc these are only tools….in the end its the PERSON who can demonstrate the pickup not the routines. Look at the amount of men that do not follow the pickup community and still have great success with women…why is that? Because they have a strong internal frame and are comfortable in their own shell.
Things like the Mystery Method are tools, and they worked for him and countless others. Does it mean it is the ONLY way to pick up? Well no, it doesn’t. But it has helped many.
Infact, many PUA are people that embraced many different pickup styles and eventually came with their own unique style that works for them
that was cool how you broke some of the rules. it was interesting to see.
Niice vids man. Respect.
i like how you’re breaking the rules, after hearing about it I tryed it myself doing sets without openers or anything, and I think one of the big reasons why it works, is because if you have the balls, to ditch your training wheels (routines and scripts) you have the balls to control a conversation/interaction and that seems to be the one thing that all naturals are good at.
I’d liek to hear your thoughts on that, but nevertheless awesome work man.
-JL
Another good video. I’ve been following from the beginning, and even though I thought you were a “natural” from the beginning, now I realize what a marked improvement you’ve made. Way to go.
I have a feeling a lot of people will be disappointed with this video though. I think most of the people watching probably have (or had) troubles with women (myself included), otherwise they probably wouldn’t be searching the web for this stuff. You point out a bunch of “rules” you broke, but don’t really point out what you did right. We all realize you don’t have to be perfect to get the girl, you don’t have to tell us that, it’s obvious. You did use an opener (although I think you intentionally tried to use the creepiest one possible that still left you with a chance), and you did exude confidence, even if you did break some of the more minor rules.
Here is what I think you should do, and this could even be a video: Imagine a guy with no game whatsoever. Obviously you are going to tell him he had to approach the girl, or nothing is going to happen. Then imagine he says, “But I’m a nerdy engineer. What the hell do I have in common with that blond? I can’t just say, ‘Hey, how about the weather?’” You would basically have to explain how to be interesting to women, and it’s pretty hard to explain that without using specific examples that someone could basically copy.
The take home message is try to tell us what you are doing right, not what you are going wrong. If your answer is “just do 1000 approaches and it eventually you’ll just get it,” I’d be happy with that, but focus on the steps to help us improve.
I really liked how you’re thinking for yourself and not only blindly following guidelines now. You guys have come a long way.
If you’re going to release a ‘bootcamp’ type of thing based on your results, don’t make people pay for it. Either release it free, or don’t release it at all. I’m worried that if you do, you’ll just become another ‘Master PUA,’ just like Mystery or Style.
You have the option of taking your journey into the same direction they took theirs. We have enough of them. I hope that it will be different with you guys.
I’m curious about how many approaches you estimated you have done over the course of these past six months, how many of those ended up in Day 2′s and how many resulted in having sex.